1° If you wanted me to answer your questions, you should have posted one.
2° The lessons in PR etc. come from your firm's web-site. I knew you would be so blinded by your haste to answer, you wouldn't notice that.
3° It's strange how Beeb and you both got there nicknames from the works of D. Adams. And you complain about Beeb? You know, if there is one quality I can attribute to Beeb, it's honesty. I believe if he's insulting, he is not insulting me, he just gets angry, and shouts. It isn't pleasant, but he's honest. And as I said it's not Beeb that makes me go, it's a form of dishonesty that emanates from this site.
What was keeping me here? I thought your comments were exemplary and more explanatory of the reasons I won't come back. So my point was made by you. And yes, you can have the last word now.
Citation on your site: "The public is the only critic whose opinion is worth anything at all."Mark Twain.
P.S. The most hated Belgian in England, must be Simon Stevin, who introduced decimals in 1585.
I want to leave this site. As a PR-man you know what is keeping me here. I can't help but giving you some advice on PR. PR is about altering people's opinions: making them think and talk positively.
I think you probably agree that choosing the right words can mean the difference between success or failure and being able to write words that persuade people to alter their opinions or beliefs is a skill learnt over many years of practice. I can't match the dazzling verbosity and loquacity you show, but just to get things straight: I have the feeling I don't belong here, you too have the feeling I don't belong here. So what is our problem?
Now if you wish to continue this, don't use too many big words in your response, like semi colon. Did you loose part of you colon and now you want me to search for it? Keep in mind you are talking to a stupid Belgian.
Thank you for correcting me.
I live near the Heysel stadium.
It improve me communication with the Liverpool lads, innit?
Putting cuisine and waffles in the same sentence can only be done by an Englishman, I can not imagine us making any progress on that topic.
English is neither my first, nor my second language as you would know if you finished grammar school.
You certainly didn't finish spelling school, dear [pedagoue], but that is only my [opnion] and could be due to the [announced relaunched].
You are committing a crime many English, monolingual and insular, are inclined to. You think that irony is your second nature and it's enough to say chum, cheerio or waffle to be a jolly fellow, innit?
Continue your career in PR, you certainly have the knack.
@HH
Thank you for highlighting the problem with this site.
Look, I'm Belgian, last thing I need are recipes from an Englishman.
If pedagogue is such a frightening word for you, maybe that's because when dealing with you they had to resort to physical violence. By the way both Big words are Greek.
Ok, HH, I owe you an answer.
The only mature answer on criticism was that of Tanner, who sounded like, Ok guys I had a ruff night yesterday and wasn’t aware it would show in the article.
I love that!
# Other reactions have this slimy envelope around them. If you ever worked in a school you’d know that these are standardized answers to avoid the issue.
• Thank you for pointing out our failings in our writing. It makes us better writers.
• If Steve & Bill can make mistakes so do I.
I’m not going in to destroy those answers. There is no point.
#Reading each other’s opinions.
Just a few days ago an article on the iPhone points out it has a mediocre talk-time of up to five hours.
Readers corrected this point for the 100th time. Criticism makes better writers? This error got corrected every time it popped up but that didn’t change anything.
#Is my English not as good as I think it is? I have no idea. Therefore it is an enigma to me that you know what I think about my English.
But psychic abilities are not my forte.
#On BB. Just read http://www.applematters.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/1196/
read the whole thread.
I want to say goodbye to this site especially to the readers who helped me.
Let’s soften this up. I did not find on this site what I was looking for. Therefore it is my mistake.
Dear Mr. Howard,
the tone and type of your answer does not coincide with a genuine desire to become a better writer. It is the tone of a detached call-centre worker. Never a person who gets booed at, appreciates it and sees is as an opportunity to get better. That’s the pedagogue’s dream.
I can make out from your comment that you guys don’t even read each other’s opinions.
Your remark that we all are fallible seems to suggest that you are content with being sloppy.
So there is no reason for me to come to this site.
I’m logging out.
[Chris Howard says: WAWA, it’s bad form to use folks’ honesty against them.
However, I stand by that comment, “...I don’t have to be right!”]
Wrong! Put the fan on and read.
The right or wrong issue we were talking about was a mathematical proposition. In mathematics and logic you either accept the rules or not. When using elements from Math or Logic (Maths&Logic= M&L) to make a point, you are fragile because the rules of M&L apply to everyone. If you misused them, it is in the open. There is no room to debate, certainly in our case where the subject was elementary. As a writer you must obey the rules or declare yourself a non-believer. In that case readers can skip it if they wish not to share your believes. If, for the sake of your believes, you want to use M&L, beware you can not change the rules, and by using M&L you accepted its terms. If you are proved wrong in these fields you shouldn't be hanged, nor should you defend the right to be wrong. Being wrong in M&L is called a mistake. You should say "Shit" I made a MISTAKE, and that's it. No soft approach, not a disaster neither, it does however not fall under the protection of an opinion. Everybody is entitled to his opinion and blah blah… Fine. If opinion is used in that sense, anybody can say whatever.
Now we come to the second point. The Opinions.
Why would people come to a site, to read an opinion, if it were not for the expertise of the writers? If I go see a doctor it is because I assume his opinion is based on more knowledge than the –everyone is entitled to his- opinion.
Now if the good doctor tells me I’m well, because his turtle told him so, suddenly that opinion loses its value. Even if I get a second opinion on my health, and the first doctor was right, I still won’t go see the turtle doctor again. That is what happens for me on this site.
Every writer here is an IT expert, consultant this and that, and I like hearing the opinions from the pros, i.e. people who know more about it than I. But when I then read nonsense about clear and verifiable facts, their opinion becomes worthless, even if they are right.
There has been plenty of examples of that. And once a doctor starts to read the palm of my hand, that’s it, there is no return.
The Bookspan incident was not a reason to doubt him, I don’t dismiss a doctor because he occasionally gets ill too, just as I can accept Howard blaming the heat. But this Matthew guy, with those credentials, makes a huge mistake and then wants to talk his way out of it. Admit the error, and we all would have had a good empathical laugh. But the way he handled it, the way he talks likes Mr. Big IT expert, the fact he never responded to my question, he is not regaining my trust. So I read another article. And mister delete-invisible-usr-folder-stupid-apple-computer, now talks to us, the little people, like he’s Sri Ma Bookspan about how to balance work and life. I’m a psychologist! It is my job to hunt these guys.
And it’s the same with the other issues. Now, some guys say, hey ho, we put a lot of time in it, be merciful. Put some in facts in it, instead. Is it or is it not a drawback for that iPhone you have 5 hours talking time. You even have a site devoted to the iPhone. Still the position of Applematters isn’t clear. Is 5 hours too little, or it is more than most of the other phones. Both positions are pretty clear and far apart. How come, after all these articles about the iPhone being stupid or whatever, that simple issue, that simple fact remains time and time again unresolved.
And then there is this pretentious (Howard used the word first) attitude about telling CEO's how to run their business, coming from a site that blows its own credibility to pieces.
This is what I call arrogance. Not Steve Jobs, who says he will do something extraordinary, and then does.
No, no, arrogance is when people accumulating errors are going to tell Steve Jobs what to do.
The fact that there is a nut on this forum calling everyone else an arse now and then is not the question. He is part of the furniture. Taking abuse from him is about as painful as getting the finger from a 5-year old who then rides his bike against a tree.
The thing the always-compassionate gentleman Ben Hall was referring to is the falsification concept of Karl Popper. I doubt however if this could cure our nutty friend. He is perfectly happy and always right in his bubble. That’s where one should leave him, except if he’s your brother-in-law.
To Bubble Boy.
Never a person chose a more appropriate avatar.
The phrase It has nothing to do…, referred to the article. In fact I have no clue what it's about.
I come here to read something interesting about Apple. But all I find are articles that question the mental state of the writers.
I cite Howard: BTW Just because I’m a staff writer doesn’t mean I have to be right!—(later) Sorry for raving on all weekend. It musta been the rain. We haven’t seen proper rain here for nearly a year.
I don't mind a good debate, but in these articles there is no point to debate. I could aswell be talking to you.
What I object to is:
Hi I'm an IT expert, I deleted a invisible file totally clueless and now see what happened.
Hi Steve, I'm a the founder of a Mac site, now that Dell's business model is collapsing shouldn't you adopt it?
Hi Steve, I'm an IT consultant, if you only have 1% of the phone market as a goal you are an idiot.
Howdy readers, I'm a…euh…grown-up, and believe me Windows created the user friendly environment.
Hello there, I'm The Boy in the Bubble, I call everyone who uses a Mac an arse, except myself, because I have also a PC.
That is what Applematters means to me, that is what I expect coming to this site, and that is what I get.
You guys want boring? Stupid?
Actually no, that is what we don't want. When we feel a need for it we always have you.
Beeble, Beeble, Bubble Boy
Have you not realized by now that your standard answer to every single post is not offending but tiresome because it is boring. Boring, boring, stupid.
You as the main contributor of posts and offensive language together with a new staff writer —calling himself an IT expert having worked at MicroSoft— deleting an invisible file as proof the Mac is not intuitive, another one —IT consultant— arguing like hell against a principle I hammer in my students head —Mean, SD, percentages all need to be expressed with their unit— the founder advocating an alliance with Dell at the time dell realizes its business model doesn't funtion anymore, and now this kid to whoom readers are not protesting for his views, but because no-one knows precisely what the hell he is talking about, you all make a fine bunch.
It has nothing to do with win against mac. It hasn't anything to do with computers.
It has to do with rationality. None of these articles were "opinions" unless one consders "The earth is flat" an opinion that is as valid as the next thing.
APPLEMATTERS, take a break. This side is borderline. Already one writer apoligized for his irrationality by blaming the heat. I can understand that.
You have to clarify how this kid got his piece published. Or otherwise explain what is in the article. Pick the easiest.
And now I'll create a new folder.
So you used a Mac in the year 2000 but you were not aware of it. In 2005 you became a MacUser because mom wanted an iPod. Interesting curriculum and drive to have an opinion on computers.
It's now 2007 and yes, you actually got your opinion in AppleMatters! An article about Mac and Microsoft and how they became friends, and how Windows created the user friendly environment.
Aging Mac users just sit there mailing something to themselves, occasionally creating a new folder, while window users have the cool stuff like games.
You don't have much to say, don't you, however you can get very excited about that emptiness, and are fascinated in morfing that emptiness in your writing style.
My dear boring friend, it is a wonder you got your opinion on a site. The site is AppleMatters, but nevertheless. Do mom a favour, don't give up your day-job. She only wears the earbuds when you're in sight.
It is now official. Applematters is a social experiment to see if one can make switchers out of Mac users by using a fine choice of writers.
Third world countries also run on old trains the Brittons left there. The UK adopted this "business model", see how far that got British Rail.
When I was in Bali (Rep. Indonesia) in 1993 their Apple shop was bigger than the one in Brussels! Now go to Singapore and see if everyone uses Windows. If there are a lot of windows computers in development countries it's because donor countries where glad they got rid of them.
To call Dell a force to be reckoned with, is like buying shares of Zeppelin after the Hindenburg disaster.
Would the world be a better place if everyone used a Mac ? I doubt it. It would however if everyone started to use his brain.
Sometimes when I hear horror-stories about windows, in fact windows had nothing to do with the problem. People buy cheap things and then with Windows on it expect it to run.
Instead of this rather stupid article, imagine the following:
Microsoft making also the hardware without compromises. And producing the Microsoft computer. When things would go wrong, windows users would say, "of course, you only have a Dell".
I can't believe this article. Imagine people putting… Whatever / I don't feel like looking for arguments much longer.
MacOS X is not idiot proof. It works well because the makers have 'inside' knowledge of what hardware they'll use. Bring it on the market like any other product and it will crash, burn and freeze like any other product you let the public or AM-staff writer toy around with.
One staff writer deleting a folder because he doesn't know what it is, another arguing a whole weekend that a fraction is a fraction whatever the unit is, and now this. Stop worrying how Steve or Bill could make more money, market share, etc. They are doing very well.
Worry about this site.
Stories like this have always made me sad. But as a psychologist I get more and more interested in the dynamics of "Kill the competent creative". Anyone with strong ideas and opinions about how things should be done is 'arrogant' even when he's right. There is even an expression in American English, Nobody likes a wise guy. People who don't get things done, are seen as more human, while someone who does the best he can, gets all the negative projection produced by jealousy. The evil stupid outnumber them and are better organised. Well they'll better be, because the perfection achieved is felt as an insult given by the 'arrogant'.
This attitude is common when you drop the name Apple. Then you are elitist, why not an Übermensch. An arrogant supremacist who thinks he's better than the rest.
When a researcher in Japan got interested in creating the then missing blue LED, and presented his ideas, he was formally forbidden to devote any of his time to develop his ideas. But Nakamura did it anyway and in 1993 he created the first quality blue led. The company Nichia made billions of $ with this invention, and gave the guy a bonus of 100€. Eventually he sued and was granted 146-million €, left Japan in search for a inventor-friendly environment, and landed at a University in California.
@Beeb Guess you are right there. I thought: IF fanatic about «something» you could then form. «XXX» zealot. Like Apple fan boy, Apple fanatic. But agnostic is not a noun, that is where I got wrong I think ? So it must read zealous agnostic. (Could it be a agnosticism zealot, but that doesn't sound right ?)
In regard to the first sentence, I admit it was slightly unfair, but funny. But then again, comparing market shares in computers should be considered unfair too. Microsoft had too many advantages from the start to hold on to that comparison any longer.
Regarding#33
My father is now 84 and my mom 80. They haven't got a single apple product in their house, but when they had seen a demonstration on TV they asked me when it would be available. Now my mother understood the concept of text messaging, and dad saw you could actually read the text on the screen. How is that for a market survey ?
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